3 golden rules for best practice: LinkedIn and Xing

by Urs E. Gattiker on 2009/10/22 · Comments 4,018 views

Image - Connect with Urs E. Gattiker on TwitterRecently a successful entrepreneur and client of ours asked whether he should join LinkedIn and/or Xing to boost visibility and help his business. Here are some of the thoughts and ideas we discussed.

How to do it smarter
==> Put up bio, start connecting – NOT

We recently came across a LinkedIn Discussion started by Gilbert suggesting that everyone should read How to make the most of your LinkedIn presence.

Having read this post, my client said, “I fail to see how this will help our people sell our product to industrial buyers.”

I explained that his current and potential clients could find information about him more quickly that way and joining groups discussing issues relevant to his business might be beneficial. But he needed more convincing.

1. Spend less time
==> Dream ON

Tara Donnelly started a LinkedIn Discussion that suggested reading Social Networking in less than one hour per week. Tara suggests just posting in discussion forums regarding one’s own blog and products for a while, thereby saving valuable work time.Image - Connect with Urs E. Gattiker on Twitter

So everything, including blogging, should take no more than one hour every week. This sounds too good to be true and since it fails to work for us, we did not share this insight with our client.

Surely we are not the only ones who spend too much time on LinkedIn or Twitter? Maybe it is better to spend more time with people, since this could result in more fun than tweeting or networking?

2. Getting customers through LinkedIn
==> Are we having a conversation yet – NOT so much

To gain visibility and share our insights we contribute to discussions on groups where we have memberships. This kind of engagement has resulted in feedback and some nice discussions with people that have later test-driven our web-based software for benchmarking their blog(s):

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However, this failed to convince our client of the usefulness of LinkedIn and Xing for his company and staff. In fact, he thought engaging in this way would be too time-consuming and insisted that we use more effective ways to get people to purchase more products from his company.

3. Connecting to other people through your network
==> 3 degrees of separation on LinkedIn vs. 1 phone call

Image - Connect with Urs E. Gattiker on LinkedInStanley Milgram’s work established that we are all linked by a human web or the proverbial ’six degrees of separation’. But will you ever use one of your LinkedIn network members to reach out to one of her members to, in turn, connect to a potential client? Simply picking up the phone be better and quicker, no?

Our client felt that he would definitely prefer to write a direct email to the person he wanted to contact and then follow-up with a phone call. That would surely be faster and require less time than having to do it through Paul Wright, who would ask Sarah Miller to connect either one of us with Scott Stratten.

More information:

Take-aways

    Social relationships depend on proximity – the probability that people know each other is inversely related to the square of the distance between them. Basically, that means that the closer two people live to each other, the more likely the LinkedIn or Xing connection will result in a face-to-face meeting – this is when networking really pays off.
    LinkedIn helps build your personal brand - participating in group initiated discussions and getting a reputation as an expert helps… especially if you are in the market for a new job.
    LinkedIn can be used as a competitive intelligence tool – joining a group can help you learn things that give you insight instead of hindsight to help you and your company.
    Opportunity costs can be substantial - time and resources are limited, hence the question: could time spent using LinkedIn or Xing be spent more effectively talking to customers or writing your eBook? Posing this question and finding an honest and concise answer is key to becoming a more effective user of social networks.

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Bottom line
Beyond the above, we recommended that our client check and see if his clients are even on LinkedIn or Xing. If he had two important clients using either, he might as well take the plunge by putting up his bio and joining some groups.

Finally, before joining a group you need to understand WHAT you’re listening for. Why do you want to listen and what do you want to learn from this group of LinkedIn or Xing members? How will this information help you improve your company’s bottom line?

Okay, now we would like to know what advice would you give a CEO of a small- or medium-sized company regarding LinkedIn, and Xing.

We would like to hear your thoughts and insights, and about your experiences: did it work for you? If so, what were your best outcomes?

  • CeciliaLeung
    Social media business sites like Xing and LinkedIn are almost a must to join nowadays.

    Thus, people/customers/clients, companies, professionals can find us. It's brand building, promoting(PR), recognition for companies as well as individuals. Social media is a part of Marketing strategies. If companies need to be recognized, to be found and known, so social media is one component and a very critical one.

    I think only join the sites won't help much, it is passive marketing. However, join selected groups and participate in the discussions will help. Group members will know you and mention your name and your company and refer your business(either products and services) to others. Give a time frame for short term goal -- 6, 9, or 12 months and see what we can gain from these social media business sites.

    In business world, everything is changing very fast, so we have to learn, to change and to adapt in order to keep up and compete with our competitors.
    Cecilia Leung-
    M.S Marketing, R.E investment/Development, Special projects
  • Cecilia, thanks for leaving a comment on our blog. I think you say it nicely here:

    "Social media is a part of Marketing strategies. If companies need to be recognized, to be found and known, so social media is one component and a very critical one."

    I also agree with joining alone will not bring one much (see my reply above) instead "join selected groups and participate in the discussions" will be the best strategy.

    I tweeted about the evolution thing - we have to adjust as follows:

    It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change (Charles Darwin) #quote (click on the link to the left).

    But I have yet to get a contract through LinkedIn. Through Xing I have made connections that resulted in referrals that let the cash register ring.

    Cecilia, thanks for sharing and hope to read your next comment soon on one of our blog posts
  • Cecilia Leung
    Thanks for the quote (Charles Darwin) I like it very much Urs. :)

    Yes, personally I think Xing helps me a lot. Tthere is less spam. It is a relationship-based business site
    In general, people are a little more low key and honest than they are probably on other such sites. I and many people( they told me) have had luck with Xing. It's different mentalities and cultures. Many times I got referrals, recommendations, suggestions that either lead into true honest friendships or business.

    I just started spending time on LinkedIn. I spend 10-15 minutes each day. I joined very few groups because I either liked them or based on recommendations from my friends. I got useful information, and most people who connect with me are not total strangers (e.g., person I already know and/or met in person before).

    As the above might suggest, I am not an open-networker. Neither do I work in high-tech nor am I a Human Resource specialist... Thus, in general LinkedIn is not helping me much at least for now. However, gained some insight and learned something new :)

    Urs, this is my first time commenting on blogs and so far I enjoy it. Best wishes!
  • Cecilia

    Thanks for writing your first blog comment on our blog. This is a real privilege for me, thank you so much.

    CULTURE
    I find your point about cultural differences in social networks quite interesting. For instance, I started Xing - Social Media Monitoring (click on link to the left) in early November and it has taken until yesterday to get about 75 members.

    Yes, Christmas Holidays may have made it a bit more difficult to attract new members.  It also took until late January until we got into swing of things (i.e. other people commenting and contributing regularly besides the moderators).

    This indicates THREE things

    1) Europeans take their public holidays seriously --- and let the social networking side of things rest while focusing on family instead :-)

    2) As Rachel Happe comments more than 90% of blog readers or group members on networks like LinkedIn or Xing are lurkers that read but rarely if ever contribute to the discussions. It takes time to jump into the water and start commenting - see your experience with blogs although you are active in Xing groups I know.

    3) Related to point 2 is Judy Dunn's comment that suggests that for most people it is difficult to write a comment or meaningful answer online going beyond the 'I like this.'

    So building a group on LinkedIN might go a bit faster than Xing. Nevertheless,  this does not mean that the quality of the latter is worse. In fact, as you point out, self-branding and spam is less of an issue on Xing compared to LinkedIn.

    MECHANICS
    What does help is if one can get a daily digest (LinkedIn) or an RSS feed (Xing) of those groups one is a member of. Unfortunately, neither LinkedIn offers an RSS feed for groups nor does Xing a daily digest via eMail.

    As well, with Xing I had to first figure out that the group had to become open to enable the setting up of an RSS feed.
    As with Facebook or other places, both LinkedIn and Xing are not that great as far as usability is concerned. You kind of have to learn how to make the mechanics/features work best for you.

    I remember the wonderful time when one got a manual (paper it was) and one could read it and find answers using the subject index in the back. But that seems to be out of fashion considering that neither Twitter nor Facebook, LinkedIN nor Xing have any of these things.... not even a proper pdf file.

    What a shame and surprise at the same time. Amazing that users are willing to put up with this kind of bad user experience....

    But even software vendors like aMember appear to prefer ignoring usability issues instead of improving user experience. For instance,  making it impossible to remove a user from autoresponder mails (uncheck option box for a particular user, she still gets autoresponder mails). Worst is that users apparently seem willing to accept such shabby service  and for me worst is that some vendors appear to get away with it....

    ==> http://amember.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11478...

    Cecilia, thanks so much for sharing and I hope that you will comment again soon on our blog

    Urs
    My.ComMetrics.com - benchmark your blog - improve performance
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  • Guest
    This is an interesting post and I have been thinking about similar things if those things are useful or not. My first assessment is that it takes time. Blogging success is a slow march, not a mad dash. And somehow one has to establish benchmarks in order to know if one does get the benefits one planned for or not.

    Using the right blog metrics (click on link to the left)

    It is easy to spend much time on LinkedIn as well as Xing (Europe). But I find groups most helpful. For instance, one shares insights, participates in discussions and answers questions. In turn, one learns and helps others learn. The trick is just to join the right groups.

    I have:

    - one group on LinkedIn - Law And Social Networking (click on link to the left)(offers daily digest via e-mail of what happened) and
    - one on Xing - Social Media Monitoring (click on link to the left)(Xing even has an RSS feed neat to keep me posted)

    I find both very helpful. But I must admit, I did join too many groups on LinkedIn when I started to use groups.  So it can definitely take too much time. I cut down the numbers of  groups I participate in and avoid most since it takes too much time away from my job otherwise.
  • Thanks for mentioned Xing - Social Media Montiring AND LinkedIN - Law and Social Networking as your favourite groups.

    Same for me, I had too many groups I was a member of myself and discovered it just took too much time... so focus is key it looks like.

    Thanks for sharing.
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