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		<title>Tidbit about BBC News Blogs: Posting Comments is a Nightmare</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urs E. Gattiker</dc:creator>
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How to make sure much of the conversation is being lost in the shuffle; or
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What to do to stop the conversation from continuing when using social media tools.  BBC has its own blogs, of course. These are successful destinations for many [...]]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt">How to make sure much of the conversation is being lost in the shuffle; or<br />
what it takes to stop the conversation before it had a chance to start</span></p>
<p>What to do to stop the conversation from continuing when using social media tools.  BBC has its own blogs, of course. These are successful destinations for many listeners of BBC News. One of the impressive things is that whilst postings are rarely in depth or providing additional beef for readers, the number of comments they seem to get is very impressive indeed.</p>
<p>Ever tried to comment on a blog posting, TV soap or newscast aired on BBC? Well, you are in for a little surprise. Before posting your comment, you will come across a small paragraph just above the comment box stating:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt">On occasion, you may experience problems when leaving a comment. We are working on a solution to this &#8211; you can find more details <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/02/leaving_comments_on_bbc_blogs.html">here</a>.</p>
<p> Naturally, wanting to post a comment I was not thrilled to read this at all. Worst was when it plaid out with me as well and I saw this screen.</p>
<p> <img src="http://www.cytrap.eu/files/ComMetrics/2008/image/2008-04-02-BBCcommentingOptionFailsError502.gif" alt="you try 10 times and always get this image - thereafter you probably call it quits or how to stop conversation" width="425" /><br />
<a href="http://www.cytrap.eu/files/ComMetrics/2008/image/2008-04-02-BBCcommentingOptionFailsError502.gif" title="so you can see it nicely if it does not show on your screen" target="_blank">Viewing the the BBC Error 502 screenshot properly</a></p>
<p>Therefore, after about 10 times trying without any success, most readers or viewers will just move on. Another conversation or attempt to comment has been lost in cyberspace.<br />
<strong>Is this a BBC Issue Only?</strong></p>
<p>The BBC audience is not satisfied with this situation judging from the comments one finds on the BBC website and elsewhere on the Web (i.e. negative publicity for BBC &#8211; damages the brand). Worst is that the problem has been known for more than year. What caused this problem according to the BBC News editors was something to the effect:</p>
<p>  <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/02/leaving_comments_on_bbc_blogs.html#c7340540" target="_blank" title="Jem Stone BBC trying to explain - several thousands of comments each week make submitting a comment a nightmare ">Our BBC blog writers, journalists, actors, soaps, etc. are doing such a great job in getting you to participate that the system cannot cope with all this additional traffic &#8211; so it simply crashes</a></p>
<p>Nevertheless, I can only imagine, how many comments are not making it onto the Website based on the experience I had last week Wednesday when I tried.</p>
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<td><a href="http://commetrics.com/?p=15" target="_blank" rel="bookmark" title="a successful blog or social media application means you are taking a never ending journey  is a journey - takes time and effort ">Before You Start a Corporate Blog, Tie Your Shoe Laces Properly</a> <a href="http://commetrics.com/?page_id=5" title="why benchmark"> </a></td>
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<td valign="top"><a href="http://commetrics.com/?p=34" target="_blank" rel="bookmark" title="whatever we do - focus on quality and not quantity - latter is great for pageviews or ad revenues - helps  nothing to sell high value products or services">2 sensible metrics &#8211; a framework for measuring blog success</a></td>
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<p><strong>For most bloggers, this is a non-issue</strong></p>
<p>In fact, most of us are happy if we get 2 people to comment for each post. In addition, if these comments are thoughtful by adding more beef to the equation, we might just be ecstatic.   Most comments on BBC&#8217;s sites or on many of the high traffic blogs are just noise but do not add quality and insights to the conversation.  Accordingly, many comments seem more like venting than thoughtful reflection.</p>
<p>We find lots of chatter or noise, such as &#8220;great post &#8211; I have thought about this as well and you say it great.&#8221; We will focus on this matter in an upcoming post.</p>
<p>Adding fluff or chatter makes us waste more time and possibly feel we know more but our understanding of the issues may still be as lousy as it was yesterday:<a href="http://commetrics.com/?p=6" target="_blank" title="People chat, comment and voice their opinions, but is it adding new insight or just noise - the U.S. presidential campaign - Huffington bombards us but will we vote differenty?" rel="bookmark"></a></p>
<p><a href="http://commetrics.com/?p=6" target="_blank" title="People chat, comment and voice their opinions, but is it adding new insight or just noise - the U.S. presidential campaign - Huffington bombards us but will we vote differenty?" rel="bookmark">Daily Me &#8211; Benchmarking Arianna Huffington</a></p>
<p>Of course, some gurus like Jakob Nielsen do not allow comments at all on their bi-weekly posts. Nevertheless, Jakob has always said that a corporate blog was a waste of time. This is, of course, a viewpoint you can argue with him about. We presented Jakob and Bryan&#8217;s opposite points of view on this post here:</p>
<p><a href="http://info.cytrap.eu/?p=168" target="_blank" title="Jakob feels blogging is for the birds, Eric believes it has its merits - you be the judge">why Jakob Nielsen and Bryan Eisenberg may both be right</a>  </p>
<p><strong>Bottom Line</strong></p>
<p>One of Scoble&#8217;s 9 attributes he lists for describing the difference between social or new media and traditional media, such as the newspaper or TV is this one:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt"><a href="http://scobleizer.com/2007/02/16/what-is-social-media/" title="2007-02-16- Scobleizer - what is social media"><span> </span>&#8230; you can’t interact at all</a> when traditional media is being used &#8211; newspapers or TV</p>
<p>As the BBC shows, this Scoble statement is not very accurate. You can interact with the journalists and newspaper makers ever more often (e.g., send them an e-mail). Nonetheless, looking at a newspaper such as the New York Times one might forgive Scoble for coming to the above conclusion.   With the NYT, most articles published online have neither an option for writing a comment nor a feedback button.  Hence, nothing like a &#8216;conversation&#8217; is or can be happening &#8211; except for writing a Letter to the Editor:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/pages/nyregion/index.html" title="how to make sure talkback is not possible and, worse, a conversation cannot happen - NO Comment Option">New York Times &#8211; N.Y. / Region</a></p>
<p>As the BBC shows, however, increasingly traditional media tries to give readers or listeners a chance to provide their say in form of</p>
<p>- your Letter to the Editor will appear if there is space in an upcoming newspaper,</p>
<p>- Bulletin board</p>
<p>- Comments made at the bottom of the article published online</p>
<p>- same article also in print</p>
<p>- Participate in forum (put up online, such as, Iraq war)</p>
<p>Not all of the above are available for each article, of course. Moreover, yes, it is the &#8216;old&#8217; media trying to use &#8216;new&#8217; media effectively, in order to expand the feedback or conversation part. Nevertheless, you can always write a letter to the editor (using e-mail or the special form offered online to do so) for most of the larger newspapers in Europe or North  America.</p>
<p>  With the above three additional options besides the Letter to the Editor, traditional media is trying to join the conversation.   Nonetheless, if you offer any of the above options to your readers for communicating with you, they had better work.  Unfortunately, <strong>in the case of BBC, the technology has failed to work properly for more than a year</strong> &#8211; and the BBC has not been able to fix the problem.</p>
<p>Therefore, not just corporate brands are being challenged to use social media effectively. Even printed media or TV is on a learning curve. What this taught us here at ComMetrics is that you do not want your client to be unable to contribute and participate in the conversation.</p>
<p>Trying unsuccessfully repeatedly last week being each time shown error message 502 was not a nice experience for me.   Okay, maybe BBC gets away having a technology frustrate its audience/participants for more than a year. In case of your company, forget it. Your clients will not stand for it. Get it right or don&#8217;t do it.</p>

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